Comments on: Making Sense of Planning in an Agile World https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/ Product Roadmapping Fri, 06 Jan 2023 18:30:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: Shaun Juncal https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-32206 Fri, 03 May 2019 23:44:46 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-32206 In reply to Eric Gage.

Hi Eric, thanks for chiming in! Definitely a sliding scale when it come to “agile”, no doubt. This post is focused specifically on planning, but if you take a look at some of our other posts on agile product management you might be able to get a better sense of how we see planning and roadmaps fitting into the continuous agile feedback loop. Here’s one post you might find interesting: https://www.productplan.com/roadmaps-continuous-delivery/

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By: Rebecca https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-32006 Mon, 29 Apr 2019 01:19:58 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-32006 Hey @jeremy thanks for the article!
Did you ever get that sketch?

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By: Jeremy Jarrell https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-27783 Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:25:51 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-27783 Thanks, Grace! I’m so glad that you found it helpful. Thank you for taking the time to leave a comment.

Jeremy

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By: Grace https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-27758 Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:36:04 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-27758 Hi Jeremy,

Thank you for this article. One of the best so far in addressing the planning concerns of Agile.

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By: Grace https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-27757 Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:34:34 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-27757 Would really love to see the sketch too.

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By: Jeremy Jarrell https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-27629 Sat, 08 Dec 2018 01:45:57 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-27629 Thanks, Paul! I’m glad you liked the article and I appreciate the feedback about the additional illustration. I’ll be looking forward to that sketch 😉

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By: Paul Burke https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-27596 Fri, 07 Dec 2018 11:44:02 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-27596 Jeremy. I love this. It addresses a huge conceptual gap for enterprises. I agree though that one more picture showing a series of onions layers placed over time with release moments could better explain the continuous improvement gap. I’ll send you a sketch.

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By: Jeremy Jarrell https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-27588 Fri, 07 Dec 2018 00:34:43 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-27588 Hi Eric,

Thank you very much for reading the article and especially thank you for taking the time to leave a comment.

You’re correct that the article doesn’t explicitly mention technical practices like continuous integration or continuous deployment. I also couldn’t agree more that building a customer feedback loop into your process that fosters ongoing product discovery is critical to your product’s ultimate success.

However, each layer of the Planning Onion is intended to be repeated in a cycle, with the frequency of each cycle increasing as you move towards the bottom of the onion. Within each cycle, teams following this approach will incorporate feedback that’s relevant to that layer in order to ensure the next cycle builds on what was learned in the previous cycles. For example, each visioning cycle will include feedback learned from the product’s fit in the overall market, such as broader market acceptance or how the product compares to competing products that have been released since the previous cycle.

By the same token, each release planning cycle will take into account information learned from the previous release planning cycle such as how the product’s customer base responded to certain features in the previous release. This information might drive decisions such as whether new features should be expanded upon, alternative features should be investigated, or even whether existing features should be considered for removal in an upcoming release.

By using multiple layers recurring in different cycles, teams who use the Planning Onion often find that they are better positioned to not only integrate customer feedback into their different planning cycles but to also identify which type of feedback is appropriate to which layer of planning so each piece of feedback can be used in the most effective way.

Thank you again for taking the time to read the article, Eric. I sincerely appreciate you for taking the time to share your thoughts.

Best,
Jeremy

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By: Eric Gage https://www.productplan.com/agile-planning-onion/#comment-27585 Thu, 06 Dec 2018 21:21:12 +0000 https://productplanmarketingstaging.local/?p=6969#comment-27585 This is yet another example of top-down planning in the disguise of being “agile”. There is no mention here of continuous integration / continuous deployment and building a customer feedback loop with analytics to enable quick feature iteration in response to actual customer feedback and usage patterns.

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